Comments on: Adios, Zend Studio. Hola, Komodo Pro! http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/ The Killersoft Blog by Clay Loveless Tue, 06 Jan 2009 08:44:37 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.2.3 By: Kish http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-5389 Kish Wed, 22 Nov 2006 05:43:43 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-5389 Hi all, I seem to be a little confused here? Did someone recommend Komodo as a great IDE for PHP? I am not sure what kind of php developement people who recommend Komodo are doing on a daily basis, but if your developing large OO based web applications such as a CRM, ERP, etc, Komodo, and any other IDE that I have tested does not even come close to Zend Studio. By far the most useful feature is code completion and the intellisense features that Zend has down pat. If I create a new class with 20 or so methods, it is ridiculous that I would have to remember the name of each method just to call it. much the same can be said about code completion from functions with PHP's own library. If i have my own library of 50 or so classes then code completion and intellisense (the ability for the IDE to know what methods, etc are in classes I create, etc) is absolutely essential. Komodo and every other IDE I have tested (in an attempt to get replace Zend) DO NOT have this essential functionality. If your just hacking away at a few small scripts then maybe this is not so important, I for one cannot live without it! If Zend only had similar code completion for javascript and CSS it would in a league of its own no questions asked. Another problem is that Zend is made in Java which causes obvious performance problems when compared with IDE's devloped in .net, its obviosuly coded in Java for compatibility across all platforms (mainly linux and windows). I was not impressed with Komnodo, ive tried it at least 3 times now and always end up uninstalling it within a few hours. Hi all,

I seem to be a little confused here? Did someone recommend Komodo as a great IDE for PHP? I am not sure what kind of php developement people who recommend Komodo are doing on a daily basis, but if your developing large OO based web applications such as a CRM, ERP, etc, Komodo, and any other IDE that I have tested does not even come close to Zend Studio.

By far the most useful feature is code completion and the intellisense features that Zend has down pat. If I create a new class with 20 or so methods, it is ridiculous that I would have to remember the name of each method just to call it. much the same can be said about code completion from functions with PHP’s own library.

If i have my own library of 50 or so classes then code completion and intellisense (the ability for the IDE to know what methods, etc are in classes I create, etc) is absolutely essential. Komodo and every other IDE I have tested (in an attempt to get replace Zend) DO NOT have this essential functionality.

If your just hacking away at a few small scripts then maybe this is not so important, I for one cannot live without it! If Zend only had similar code completion for javascript and CSS it would in a league of its own no questions asked. Another problem is that Zend is made in Java which causes obvious performance problems when compared with IDE’s devloped in .net, its obviosuly coded in Java for compatibility across all platforms (mainly linux and windows).

I was not impressed with Komnodo, ive tried it at least 3 times now and always end up uninstalling it within a few hours.

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By: Chris Lynch http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1732 Chris Lynch Wed, 30 Aug 2006 21:48:09 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1732 I just want to give my thanks to whoever recommended Komodo Pro over Zend Studio. I am PHP programmer (and pretty much a fanatic about php right now). I first learned about php 6 months ago in my internship. However, the software used there was "high cost" software. I'm talking about Macromedia Studio softwares and Zend Studio. I got so familiar with Zend, that I couldn't find anything else to help me program my web pages. After my internship was over, I was back to square one and had to work with GPL (General Public License aka FREE) softwares. I found none of them very satisfying, so I got the Zend free trial. Been working with for 17 days and it will expire in 13 days. My main concern about Zend was the cost. I am just an entry-level php programmer and do not want to go burning up my money by buying a 1 year license for Zend. After my trial is over, I am considering Komodo Pro trial version with an intent to buy there cheap licenses. Thanks again for the great help I just want to give my thanks to whoever recommended Komodo Pro over Zend Studio. I am PHP programmer (and pretty much a fanatic about php right now). I first learned about php 6 months ago in my internship. However, the software used there was “high cost” software. I’m talking about Macromedia Studio softwares and Zend Studio. I got so familiar with Zend, that I couldn’t find anything else to help me program my web pages.

After my internship was over, I was back to square one and had to work with GPL (General Public License aka FREE) softwares. I found none of them very satisfying, so I got the Zend free trial. Been working with for 17 days and it will expire in 13 days.

My main concern about Zend was the cost. I am just an entry-level php programmer and do not want to go burning up my money by buying a 1 year license for Zend. After my trial is over, I am considering Komodo Pro trial version with an intent to buy there cheap licenses.

Thanks again for the great help

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By: Ed Finkler http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1523 Ed Finkler Tue, 22 Aug 2006 21:25:24 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1523 Komodo always has been a good tool. Personally, though, Zend Studio's support and embracement via introspection of phpDocumentor-style docs is a major, major plus for me, and based on a little bit of exploration it looks like Komodo doesn't have that level of integration (this appears to be on K 3.5, which is the latest prime-time release). ZS both makes it easy to write good docs and in my interest. That being said, I like that Komodo gives you more flexibility, and the Intel Mac problem with ZS has been a real annoyance. I'm actually running Parallels WinXP to get around it.... *weeps quietly* Komodo always has been a good tool. Personally, though, Zend Studio’s support and embracement via introspection of phpDocumentor-style docs is a major, major plus for me, and based on a little bit of exploration it looks like Komodo doesn’t have that level of integration (this appears to be on K 3.5, which is the latest prime-time release). ZS both makes it easy to write good docs and in my interest.

That being said, I like that Komodo gives you more flexibility, and the Intel Mac problem with ZS has been a real annoyance. I’m actually running Parallels WinXP to get around it…. *weeps quietly*

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By: Dreaming of Dawn http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1443 Dreaming of Dawn Thu, 17 Aug 2006 19:13:16 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1443 <strong>I guess I’m just ahead of the times…...</strong> When perusing php-planet today (or is it planet-php and why can’t I ever remember?)  I ran across an interesting article about changing from zend studio to komodo. The amusing thing for me is I’ve been using komodo since 3.0 came out - in ... I guess I’m just ahead of the times……

When perusing php-planet today (or is it planet-php and why can’t I ever remember?)  I ran across an interesting article about changing from zend studio to komodo.
The amusing thing for me is I’ve been using komodo since 3.0 came out - in …

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By: Jad http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1442 Jad Thu, 17 Aug 2006 17:08:13 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1442 Well, I'm not sure if it's because they are working on <a href="http://www.zend.com/phpide/" rel="nofollow">PHPide</a> however, there has been no update at all for PHPide since it was released first time. Well, I’m not sure if it’s because they are working on PHPide however, there has been no update at all for PHPide since it was released first time.

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By: Sebastian Mordziol http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1415 Sebastian Mordziol Wed, 16 Aug 2006 10:28:52 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1415 Thanks a lot for the info Clay, I will definitely check it out again :) Thanks a lot for the info Clay, I will definitely check it out again :)

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By: Clay http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1414 Clay Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:54:40 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1414 Sebastian, I have had a few problems with Komodo Pro 4 alphas, but nothing that I wouldn't expect from alpha software. (Locks up occasionally, bogs down sometimes, etc.) Overall, Komodo Pro's class/function insight is comparable to Zend Studio's. (Assuming that what you mean by "insight" is prompting you on needle/haystack, haystack/needle reminders while you're typing, function and variable completion options, etc.) The differences were a little jarring at first, as I'd gotten pretty used to Zend Studio's look and feel ... but Komodo Pro is also an attractive application, and now that I'm a month into this formal switch, I can barely remember what I was missing from ZS during that first week. :) Sebastian, I have had a few problems with Komodo Pro 4 alphas, but nothing that I wouldn’t expect from alpha software. (Locks up occasionally, bogs down sometimes, etc.)

Overall, Komodo Pro’s class/function insight is comparable to Zend Studio’s. (Assuming that what you mean by “insight” is prompting you on needle/haystack, haystack/needle reminders while you’re typing, function and variable completion options, etc.)

The differences were a little jarring at first, as I’d gotten pretty used to Zend Studio’s look and feel … but Komodo Pro is also an attractive application, and now that I’m a month into this formal switch, I can barely remember what I was missing from ZS during that first week. :)

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By: Sebastian Mordziol http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1413 Sebastian Mordziol Wed, 16 Aug 2006 09:49:03 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1413 Interesting to hear. I tried to find an alternative to Zend Studio this spring, but could find none. While the debugger is a great feature, what really makes me stick to Zend Studio is the great class/function insight that I just can't live without anymore. Granted, load times for a project are tremendous, especially if there are many different classes - but once you start coding, the time gained is tremendous. I remember reviewing Komodo at the time, as it was one of the big players in PHP IDEs but I was very disappointed in how badly it compared on the class an function insight level. Do you know if that has gotten any better in the new Komodo version? If it has, I'll definitely check it out again, as I would love to dump that big Zend Studio brute...! Interesting to hear. I tried to find an alternative to Zend Studio this spring, but could find none. While the debugger is a great feature, what really makes me stick to Zend Studio is the great class/function insight that I just can’t live without anymore.

Granted, load times for a project are tremendous, especially if there are many different classes - but once you start coding, the time gained is tremendous. I remember reviewing Komodo at the time, as it was one of the big players in PHP IDEs but I was very disappointed in how badly it compared on the class an function insight level.

Do you know if that has gotten any better in the new Komodo version? If it has, I’ll definitely check it out again, as I would love to dump that big Zend Studio brute…!

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By: Stefan Koopmanschap http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1410 Stefan Koopmanschap Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:51:28 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1410 Thanks for the link, I'm trying that out. I've got a license for ZS4, but with ZS5 out, I've been wondering if I would want to upgrade. Since my ZS usage is currently purely personal, it's a lot of cash. Let's see how Komodo works on my linux system. Thanks for the link, I’m trying that out. I’ve got a license for ZS4, but with ZS5 out, I’ve been wondering if I would want to upgrade. Since my ZS usage is currently purely personal, it’s a lot of cash.

Let’s see how Komodo works on my linux system.

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By: depi http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1409 depi Wed, 16 Aug 2006 08:25:05 +0000 http://killersoft.com/randomstrings/2006/08/15/adios-zend-studio-hola-komodo-pro/#comment-1409 Hi! I never heard of it, but it looks really great! So many features and so cheap Student version with almost all features in it? I'm using Zend Studio too, but I should give it a try! Thanks for tip! :) Hi!

I never heard of it, but it looks really great! So many features and so cheap Student version with almost all features in it? I’m using Zend Studio too, but I should give it a try!

Thanks for tip! :)

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